Monday, September 05, 2011

Violence (Civilian and Police) Mars Carnival





I missed nearly all of this because I was up on Eastern Parkway enjoying the masqueraders, music, food, and dancing, but all was not well at today's Carnival. A pair of shootings left two men injured, while police assaulted and arrested Councilman Jumaane Williams and Bill de Blasio staffer Kirsten John Foy (despite both men presenting identification) for using a sidewalk that another officer had sent them down. As one reader put it earlier, it's a shame that so few can poison what was otherwise such a wonderful day for so many.

On and around Franklin, shots and sirens have continued (one report said an officer and another man were shot at Park and Franklin in a shootout later in the evening). Hope everyone's alright, but sadly,  it seems unlikely.

Tuesday morning update: An article with photos from the NYTimes on the shootings last night that occasioned the massive police response.

22 comments:

  1. Cancel the parade. Clearly our neighborhood is not ready for that scale of an event. It is a very big shame that so few can ruin an awesome time, but it's a reality.

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  2. CHCA with Council Member James will be holding a press conference to address the violence yesterday. We are just pulling things together now and will post an announcement later today.

    If anyone would like to work directly with us on the issue of gun violence please email us chca@crowhillcommunity.org

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  3. the parade is just too large and unruly for control.

    Also, its not just one day, but a whole weekend of partying that gets out of control. I was out saturday night , there where alot of police around, yet the parties seemed to be on the verge of getting out of control. Also, what is with all the children up so late? Parents send them to bed.

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  4. The Gothamist posted more details this morning:

    http://gothamist.com/2011/09/06/blaze_of_bullets_in_crown_heights_k.php

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  5. This behavior should not be tolerated at all.

    The parade should be cancelled for next year.

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  6. I understand and support the pride and feeling of community behind the parade, but I don't understand or support the violence and the mess that occurs. It's sad that what should be considered a joyful celebration has grown way past its original intent and is now a dangerous event. I'm sure many came to celebrate and have fun, but others came to stir trouble.

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  7. This is a cultural celebration that has been going on for over 40 years - long before this was any of "our neighborhood". It's an irreplaceable part of the culture of Brooklyn. The city needs to find a way to adapt the celebration to make it safer. Here are my thoughts on the violence: http://brooklyntraveladdict.blogspot.com/2011/09/wotless-ending-to-beautiful-celebration.html

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  8. It is great to know that the CHCA and Council Member James are moving quickly in response to this weekend's tragedies.

    And for all you parade naysayers, look - there's two core issues here, neither of which are new: flaws in NYPD policing in Crown Heights (and poor neighborhoods in NYC); and a failed gun control program in the city-at-large. The former has been brought up more than once on this blog, so I'm really taken aback by the knee jerk attitude expressed in some of the comments here. Do you truly think that the parade caused the violence?

    Take away the parade and these problems remain. I've both heard people get killed and been detained by the NYPD on my street, and it had nothing to do with a celebration of any sort. It just doesn't make sense to "discover" Crown Heights' cultural charms and then toss out punitive brainstorms in order to curb violence that has its roots in decades of urban malaise. Anybody that has grown up in the poorer part of a crime filled American city knows this, even if they choose to ignore it.

    If the scale of the event seems to be too large for Eastern Parkway, then alternative sites should be looked for - and both the organizers and the city should take the lead. But to say that it should simply be cancelled is at best stupid - please think about who you are and what you bring to the neighborhood before you decide what's best for it. I don't want to live with guns and crooked cops, but I don't want to have my life organized by Smalltown, USA, either.

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  9. Well said, 1:45pm. I agree. This weekend's violence has its roots in urban poverty, and not the Parade. Canceling the parade won't address the root cause(s) of the violence. Keep in mind that last year Franklin Ave and the surrounding area saw episodic gun play all summer.

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  10. I don't know if anyone else knew the victim, but she was a wonderful person. The Mayor of Park Place. She will not only be missed, but a piece of crown heights has gone with her. She was born and raised in that building and showed only love to everyone who had the pleasure of meeting her. RIP Denise.

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  11. Yes 1:45, there are episodes of sporadic gun play, but it seems there was a very large spike around the time of the parade and in the vicinity of it. Having a parade is not a right, it is a privilege granted by the city in the form of permits. I'l be supporting any effort to prevent the city from granting the necessary permits next year; guaranteed city officials will be thinking twice now that two cops were shot.

    What do I do for the neighborhood? I'm a property owning, law abiding, tax paying, local business supporting, community volunteering citizen. I'm sympathetic to the neighborhood folks who have been here longer than my three years. I understand the parade is of huge cultural significance. But when I got here Franklin ave was basically boarded up and me and my fellow "evil" gentrifiers are THE major reason it is the amazing place it is today. Don't tell me about my neighborhood, I helped build it.

    The parade, which is supposed to be about heritage and local pride, has become a three day long, alcohol and drug filled melee that most recently ended in horrific violence.

    Who out there is feeling pride after this past weekend?

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  12. Also, while listing your core issues, you seemed to gloss over a major one: certain citizens breaking MAJOR laws and endangering the lives of other citizens. Can you really put all the blame on bad police and bad gun laws? That is ridiculous and irresponsible. Personal responsibility is a real thing and must be recognized. Underlying socioeconomic issues are important and must be addressed, but ridding individuals of responsibilities demeans them and all of us.

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  13. Per the NY Post:

    "Eight officers fired about 70 shots during the shootout, a source told The Post. The barrage wounded the gunman Leroy Webster, who was struck in the hip and chest, and resulted in the death of Randy Johnson. Denise Gay, a 56-year-old innocent bystander, was hit in the head by a stray bullet."

    Do we know who's gun the stray bullet that killed Denise Gay came from? I would like to know... I mean really know.

    Also, eight cops firing 70 shots on street with innocent bystanders... there are two parties that caused this tragedy in my view.

    Impact zone... be careful what you ask for.


    NY Post source: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/loca/cop_injured_in_klyn_shooting_released_MGLXN4wGXdig3BBuBaOrmJ

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  14. Shut the fuck up you lily white hipster. That goes for the border line Republican asshole "property owner" too. Dumb cunt. Have you ever fired a handgun in fear? NYPD is taught to fire at the body mass and it's BEYOND easy to empty a 12 round clip in under 5 seconds. There was a gun fight, shit happens. It's terrible and awful. You want the cops to not shoot at shooters? Fucking amateur self-entitled, pussy.

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  15. My heart goes out to the family of the woman who was shot. I wholeheartedly agree with Anon @145pm. Shootings happen in Crown Heights often enough without the hue and cry. There is a parade and suddenly people are saying the parade caused the violence. I guess it makes sense if you are ahistorical and illogical.
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    An aside:

    Who the eff are you Adam? Because you own property you now built Franklin Avenue? Forget people who have been living here 20,15 and 10 years and founded block associations and other organizations of civil society etc but you are the pioneer responsible for civilizing the bush. Really?! Shut up, cause you and your entitled attitude and stupefying arrogance aren't helping.

    I still feel pride because I have no kinship to the shooters. I felt pride and kinship with the thousands of other paradegoers(99.9% of whom were) trying to have a good time- and who I danced with and talked to on Monday.

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  16. I suspect that any individual's attitude towards shutting down the parade is directly related to the personal value s/he places on it. If you're someone who has lived in the 'hood for a few years and never attended, I can see how it'd be easy to just say 'shut it down'. But the parade is experientially charged for many, many people. Unfortunately, it does seem like the newer residents aren't even acknowledging that reality.

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  17. Block associations? In 2008, the first CHCA meeting I went to had 5 people at it. Were you one of them?

    I believe that owning property in a neighborhood means something. You are taking a financial stake in the future of the community - putting your money where your mouth is.

    All this being said, the civilize the bush comment was hilarious.

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  18. Thank you Adam. For speaking the truth.

    And investing in the area - easy for the self entitled mooching class to call names so quickly. They don't know you - nor do I.

    Until others stop making excuses for the criminal behavior of others and look to blame the government, society, etc. then nothing will change.

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  19. Constructive ideas on improving the parade's image from a person highly invested in the parade:

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/onya-west/labor-day-carnival-as-the-ultimate-anti-violence-campaign/10150303891625956

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  20. and from Assemblymember Williams http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Council-Member-Williams-and-Director-Foy-s-Statement-In-Response-to-Mayor-Bloomberg-s-Invitation-to-a-Beer-Summit.html?soid=1102557709761&aid=MBmfYFHQFgE

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  21. Adam you are 100 times correct.

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  22. I guess I was one of the lucky ones. I enjoyed my entire day in Brooklyn without witnessing any violence. I was shocked n saddened to hear that ppl died. We have to take control of our children by any means necessary. Our young r out of control parade or no parade. People r afraid of their kids n let them run wild. Its not the parade, its the lack of love n pride. We have to show people things to b proud of, show them how to b proud n show them why they should b proud. N if I may say to all those parents that know their kids own a gun, TAKE IT!!!

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